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How Can God Be A Trinity? - Ask The Pastor

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This edition of Ask the Pastor features Pastors Brad Kilthau, Gary Hashley, and Tim Hebbert.

Tim Hebbert

So we're gonna talk a little bit about this - what does it mean that God is a Trinity? And you know, I tell my young teenagers in classes, the first rule when we start talking about God is that He's not human. We can't place any human attributes on Him, because if we do that the concept of the Trinity is almost impossible to fathom. And in truth, it really is kind of hard to wrap our minds around it. Anyway, let's just dig into this and see where the Lord takes us this morning. What is the Trinity? How do we find that? That's the one true God who lives eternally in three persons, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. I listened to a pastor talk about it and I love the statement he made. He said, "God has been in relationship with Himself for all of eternity." And I guess that's maybe the best way that we can really describe that. What is that relationship? Well, it's a loving relationship that binds and fuses them together as one God existing within three separate persons. So it's hard to understand, but the foundation of everything we believe and who we are as followers of Jesus Christ starts with that foundation of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit and His word. God doesn't waste any time in sharing with us who He is.

One of the things I love about studying the Old Testament is He reveals Himself through His names. But He makes a statement in Genesis 1:26 where He begins to share, as I like to put it, that "one of a kind nature" because it can't be duplicated, it can't be imitated. Only God can be existing as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. But He says in verse 26, "Then God said, 'Let us make man in Our image, after Our likeness'." So He immediately goes into a plurality of who He is as one person. And throughout the Old Testament, each one of them is found and revealed in different scriptures here and there, but in that moment He doesn't define Himself as a triune God. But He does say "I have more attributes than you can fathom in one person." Numbers 23:19 says, "God is not human that He should lie, not a human being that He should change his mind. Does He speak and then not act, does He promise and not fulfill?" We're defining early on in scripture who God the Father is. Isaiah 7 tells us this, it's one of those iconic passages that reveals who Jesus is before He comes into the world. Verse 14 says, "Therefore, the Lord himself will give you a sign. Behold, the Virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Emmanuel," which we know means God with us. And in the second verse of Genesis 1, we're already introduced to the holy spirit, it says, "The earth was without form and void, and darkness was over the face of the deep and the spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters."

Then when we get into the New Testament, Jesus begins to teach us about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. And then Paul really lays out the doctrine of how each one of these separate persons in the Godhead. But Jesus has revealed in His baptism, as the atmosphere parts you can see the glory of heaven, the Holy Spirit. And then the father says, "That's my son, the One that I am well pleased in." Later on at His transfiguration, we see the Holy Spirit come in the form of a cloud as Moses and Elijah nestled down into that transfiguration of who Jesus is. And then again, we hear the voice of the Father say to Peter James and John, paraphrasing a little bit, "That's my Son, listen to him." But I love this scripture. And in Romans 8, when Paul is defining the Holy Spirit He gives us that Trinity, starting with verse nine He says, "You however are not in the flesh but in the spirit, if in fact the spirit of God dwells in you, anyone who does not have the spirit of Christ does not belong to Him. But if Christ is in you, although the body is dead because of sin, the spirit is life because of righteousness. If the spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His spirit that dwells in you." So Paul in those three verses gives us an image of the working agreement, so to speak, between the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Now Gary, there's a lot of error out there when we try to apply human conditions to that, so why don't you speak to that.

Gary Hashley

Well in Mark 12, Jesus quotes from Deuteronomy and says, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. You shall love the Lord Your God, with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. There are groups out there that say we are monotheists, we believe in one God. And I say, "Well, I'm a monotheist too, but I'm a monotheist who realizes scripture teaches that we have one God but we have three persons who make up that God. And each one, the Father is God, Jesus is God, the Holy Spirit is God. Jesus is just as much God as the Father, the Spirit is just as much God as Jesus and the Father, and Jesus isn't the Father, and the Father isn't the Spirit, the Spirit isn't Jesus. Some of those errors come because we try and wrap our heads around a concept too big for our brains. Some people believe we must have three gods. And that's what other religions would say, "We're monotheists and you're plural theists. You believe in three gods." No, we don't, but even though we say we don't believe in three gods, there are those who really struggle with that. They go round and round and round with that. And one of the problems is that if you've got three gods, someone's going to want to be king of the hill. And yet we don't find that, we find unity and we find cooperation. You look through the scriptures and you don't find that the members of the Godhead, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, are arguing over who gets top billing.

Another error that comes up - I had a guy in the first church I pastored come to me, he had a friend who had some interesting ideas about the Bible and about God. He came to me one day and he says, "I was talking to my friend and my friend told me that Jesus is less than the Father, that the Father is the big God. And Jesus is sort of a lesser God." And I said to Jack, "Well that's interesting, because Jesus said, " I and my father are One." Jack said, "I can't wait to go tell my friend because he missed that somewhere." How could they be one if Jesus was the less than the Father?

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Another error that can come up, and I heard this from an adult Sunday school class in a church in southern Michigan where one of the deacons of the church was teaching the class. And he said, "Let me explain the Trinity to all of you. The trinity is like this - God gets up in the morning, and some days He puts on His God the Father suit, and He does God the father stuff. And then another day He might get up, assuming God sleeps, He might get up and put on His Jesus outfit, and He goes and does Jesus things. And then there are times where it's more appropriate when God gets up and puts on His Holy Spirit costume." And so He pictured this as God having three different outfits, and whatever day the One God had on either His God the Father suit or His God the Son suit or His Holy Spirit suit. There are a lot of errors out there, and some of it is because we really want to understand it. And I don't fault people for wanting to understand, because I want to understand. People trying to explain the Trinity, like it's like an egg, with the shell and the white part of the egg and the yolk being part of the egg. And that sort of helps us think through it a little, but the shell isn't the yolk and the yolk isn't the white and they're not coequal or coeternal. So, you know, any explanation that I've heard people come up with always comes up a little short of the perfections of the Trinity. But Pastor Brad, tell us why it matters.

Brad Kilthau

I think something you brought earlier is that anytime we do any teaching, especially on the doctrine of scripture, we have to ask why does that matter? How does it help me out? And the truth that God has triune is of utmost importance because it impacts our lives in several ways. One of those ways is through authentic worship. Since God has revealed Himself to us as triune, the Bible says in John 4:23 that we are to worship God in spirit and truth. And we cannot truly worship Him apart from regarding who he really is. And so it is good that when we worship Him, we comprehend what that means when we talked about our God is a triune God. I think even more importantly, the Trinity is vital for salvation. For our salvation to be possible, there needed to be a perfect sacrifice of infinite value to pay for the sins of the world, and if Jesus is anything less than fully and eternally God and He had limitations, that would prevent Him from accomplishing the work that we needed for Him to do on the cross and the resurrection. And when you think about our salvation, in scriptures the Father initiated salvational work, the Son completed the salvation to work in the cross, and it's the Holy Spirit who opens up our understanding and even gives us the ability to believe in the work of Christ. So all persons in the One God are vital in our salvation. And then there's also the thought about a healthy and personal relationship with the Father and the Son and the Spirit. We need to accept and embrace the fullness of God as it's been revealed to us in the scriptures. You can't ignore that, just as you were saying, it's all throughout the scriptures that he is a triune God. You can't throw that away and then have a intimate relationship with Him.

I think about this too - we need to get into the throne room of the Father. We want to go to the throne room to speak to the Father, well who makes that possible? Well Jesus opens the door and allows us there. And then it's the Holy Spirit that gives us the ability to even speak because we don't even know what to say and how to say it in the presence of the Father. So in order to have a healthy relationship we need this triune God of ours. And here's a fourth one that I was thinking about as I was contemplating this question - without the belief that our God is triune, there's a personal relationship problem for us as believers, because Christian relationships are to be modeled after and reflect the perfect unity and love that exists between the three Persons of the Trinity. Just as Jesus said as he was praying for the church in John 17, he said, "that all my followers may be one, Father, just as You are in Me and I in You, and that they may be one (speaking of the church) as We are One, I in them and You in me." And so when we think about our God who is love, there's this eternal active love that's always gone on among the Trinity Persons, infinite love, even before we were created. And so we're to reflect that kind of love for one another, and we're commanded to do that in Philippians 2:2, it says, "Being like-minded having the same love, being in one spirit and of one mind." And so it even affects our relationship as we look at our God and understand who He is and how we can relate to one another.

And so really the doctrine of the Trinity is a precious truth. And I know it blows our minds when we think about it, we have to sit back and go, "How can that be? I can't understand it." I think as you were saying Gary, we make a big mistake if we try to bring it down to some analogy that we can all comprehend - we can't comprehend all of our God. He's above who we are, but it is good to sit back and think about our triune God, because again it shows us how amazing He is and how wonderful and magnificent He is. And so it's a practical truth that should impact the lives of us Christians in a lot of different ways. So this is a good question, a good one to think about and constantly thinking about as believers in Jesus Christ.

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No More Dragons - Becoming a dragon is a dangerously subtle process. It never happens all at once. You make a long chain of bad choices. The chain gradually wraps around you. Layer by layer, it begins to take on the aspect of scales. One day you glance at yourself in the mirror and a monster is staring back at you. You aren’t who you used to be. Instead, you’re a dragon. Jim Burgen was raised believing in Jesus, but by the time he was a college student he was very disappointed and disillusioned by “church.” As Pastor Jim Burgen narrates the remarkable process of Jesus reaching into his life and reclaiming him from himself, he implores modern church folks to shake off the trivial, sometimes weirdness, of religious churchiness in favor of the more important questions that make spiritual transformation and “undragoning” even possible to those who are looking for truth and grace. 

Half the Battle - Do you ever feel the pressure to hide your struggles in order to look like a “good Christian”? The truth is, we all face battles and hurts in our lives. Scripture is full of God-fearing men and women who tried to cover up their problems. For Mary and Martha, the death of their brother, Lazarus, was the ultimate devastation. They put his body in a dark place and rolled a stone in front of it. But God knew where they buried their pain, and He knows where you bury yours too. Jon Chasteen explores Old and New Testament examples of people whom God invited to begin the healing process by confronting their secret pain.

In the three books that I chose to write about this week, the authors all seemed to be wrestling with the same questions at one point in their lives. Is God truly there when I fight my battles? Who does God want me to be? Honestly, I can think of a few times in years past that I even asked myself those exact questions. Wondering if and when the struggles would end? And trying to figure out if who I was, was ever going to be enough. That is exactly why I found these books so interesting. In Reading People, Anne Bogel breaks down all the different personality indicators and what insights they can give you on who you truly are. But also, she reminds us that, no matter the personality type you may have, God still loves you. Next, in No More Dragons, Pastor Jim Burgen starts out by explaining how he became a “dragon” and how he slipped out of his monstrous form. But then he goes on to tell how to avoid becoming a dragon like he did. What I loved the most about his testimony was the example the pastor used when Jim came back to Christ. He recalled the story from The Chronicles of Narnia: The Voyage of the Dawn Treader where Eustace was turned into a dragon after discovering the cave of dragon’s treasure. As the story went on, Aslan the Lion helped Eustace remove the dragon scales, and he was transformed back into a boy. When we find ourselves covered in dragon scales and doing the destructive things that dragons do, we can only shed that all away with the help of Jesus Christ. The final book that I chose from our selection of new items, was Half the Battle. This book was filled with so many amazing quotes. One of my favorites was, “You can never tear down the walls of Jericho unless you first let God tear down the walls of your heart.” In the beginning of Jon Chasteen’s book, he uses the example of the Battle of Jericho when we think about battles that occur in the Bible. And that quote is the perfect representation of what must’ve been going through the Israelites’ heads as they were walking around the wall. Come on down to the Cross Reference Library, where advice on personality and spiritual battles can be found in these three remarkable books.

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Bring your sins and all your guilty stains
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Why Will There Be No Marriage in Heaven? - Ask The Pastor

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This edition of Ask the Pastor features Pastors Ben Poole and Gary Schick.

Ben Poole

So our question this morning comes from a listener who says, "I heard a guy once share how angry he was that he would not be married to his wife in heaven. He was so angry that he did not want to go to heaven if he could not be married to his wife. Why will there be no marriage in heaven? What will be our relationship with family members when we get to heaven?" So Gary, if you want to go ahead and kick us off on this.

Gary Schick

Well I'm glad it wasn't specifically our listener who was angry about this. I think it kind of reflects culturally where we're at, Christian and non-Christian alike. Heaven isn't a place we've been, we haven't been to the other side, and so we tend to imagine it on our own terms. I think so many don't even think of God when they think of the next life to come, they just sort of think of it as an extension of this life, only better, and it's very self-centered - you know, here's what I want and it's going to be me and whatever. That's not exactly the picture that's painted for us. I can tell you, regardless of what it's like, you don't not want to be in heaven. This scriptural picture of not being in heaven is outer darkness, weeping, gnashing of teeth, eternal fire, separation from God. If you don't want to be with God, well, you won't be, but you won't be with anyone else either.

There was an old country song years back about hell being some kind of a drunken party or something, and it ain't going to be, there's no fellowship there. But the question, "Why won't there be marriage? What will our relation to others be?" The question really is coming from Matthew 22:30, and this is Jesus talking, he is answering the question of the Sadducees who didn't believe in an afterlife. So they were kind of mocking him and saying, "So suppose there was this guy who was married and he died?" And in those days in order to carry on the family line, if your brother died you were supposed to marry his wife and carry on the family line. And so they just came up sort of with this mocking idea where there's seven brothers and each one is married to this woman and nobody has children with her in the resurrection. Who is whose wife, whose husband will be hers, right? And by the way, the Sadducees didn't even believe in the whole Old Testament. They only took the first five books, the books of Moses, his scripture. And so Jesus just narrows his focus to what they understand and what they believe. And He says, "God said not 'I was the God of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob' but 'I am the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob'," and in the very books that the Sadducees called scripture, it's indicating they are still very much alive and in God's presence, and yes, there is an afterlife.

But He even answers their question, ridiculous as it is, and says, "At the resurrection, people will neither marry nor be given in marriage. They will be like the angels in heaven." Well, this has led to some confusion. You often hear people talking about heaven, talking about getting our wings like we're going to become angels, like that's sort of the next evolution or something, right? That is not a scriptural picture either. We don't become angels, there's no reference in scripture that would identify that we're going to sprout wings. We are going to be what we are in a glorified state, but we will have a similarity in the sense that angels do not marry. They're not given in marriage. They don't procreate, and neither will we - we will go into heaven in a fixed form. That said, are we going to? From scripture's perspective, as a believer in Jesus, we're going on to something pretty wonderful. 1 John 3:2 says, "Dear friends, now we are children of God, and what we will be has not yet been made known. But we know that when Christ appears, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is." The first goal of heaven is to be with the Savior, to be in Jesus' presence, the One who died for our sins and loved us. There can be nothing more glorious than that. But it is natural to ask the question, "What about my loved ones who are saved? Will I see them again? Will we know each other?"

Here's some things that scripture says, going way back to Father Abraham in the Old Testament, the death of Abraham is described in this way. "Then Abraham breathed his last and died at a good old age, an old man and full of years, and he was gathered to his people." Genesis 25:8, "He was gathered to his people." Other people whose death is described as "gathered to his people" include Ishmael in Genesis 25:17, Isaac in Genesis 35:29, Jacob in Genesis 49:33, Moses' brother Aaron in Numbers 20:24, and even Moses in Numbers 27:13. And so related to this is the idiom found in Genesis 15:15, where God tells Abraham, "You shall go to your fathers in peace, you shall be buried in a good old age." So is He just talking about kind of a way of speaking about death, or is He actually saying something more about rejoining those who have gone before? There are several ways that the scripture describes it - lie down or rest with your fathers, go to your ancestors, go to your people, and rest with your fathers.

Similarly in 2 Samuel 12:23, King David lost a son, and you can go back and read the story behind that, it was very tragic. This child, this first child between him and Bathsheba dies in infancy. And as the child was sick and dying David mourned, he fasted, he prayed. He pled with God for the child's life so much so that when the child died his servants were afraid that he might take his own life. So finally David says, "Is the child dead?" "Yes," they respond. And he goes and washes himself, and he sits down and he eats, and they're confused. And David says, "Well now that he is dead, why should I go on fasting? Can I bring him back again? I will go to him, but he will not return to me." David had a sense of peace that he would go to that child, and David also in the Psalms speaks about God bringing him himself back. Job said, "I will see my Redeemer in my flesh, see Him with my own eyes." So there was a confidence in an afterlife, and there was a confidence not only of going to be with God, but going to be with those who've gone before.

So can we trust that believing family, parents, children, spouses, even though we're not in a married state, that we're going to have relationships and be together with the Lord? Absolutely. In fact, what does it say about the rapture? We, not individually, but we together will meet the Lord in the air. And then finally for my part, one of my favorite passages kind of talking about the heaven to come, Hebrews 12:23 talks about how "Through faith, we have been brought together with the assembly of the firstborn who are enrolled in heaven. To God, the judge of all, and to the spirits of the righteous made perfect." All of this is in the new Jerusalem, which apparently already awaits us. "The souls of righteous individuals already made complete, made perfect in Christ." That's what's waiting for us on the other side. So first and foremost, I am looking forward to meeting the Lord. But do I anticipate seeing my dad who's gone before me, my grandparents, other loved ones, cousins who've gone on in Christ? Absolutely. And do I kind of look forward on the streets of gold to brushing shoulders with the apostle Paul and asking him some questions, and asking Adam and Eve, "By the way, did you have belly buttons?" and all those weird questions? Yeah, I can't wait.

Ben Poole

Yeah, and I think that's a good perspective he gave on discussing what it's going to be like. Are we going to know people when we see him? I agree, I think we will, there's enough scripture to back it up. Even if we didn't, I'm not sure we would care once we're there.

Gary Schick

It's going to be pretty great.

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Ben Poole

But I think it's something to understand that there's a difference between what takes place in this life and the next. As the church and as Christians become the bridegroom of Christ, that is a marriage that takes place in Christ. And I was thinking about what heaven would be like, because I can understand, I love my wife more than any other person on earth, and it's hard to think about not being married to her at some point. But if our focus is on that, I think we're missing something beautiful. Regarding the book of Revelation, I know a lot of people live in fear over it and they really dive in to find secret hidden messages. And I don't think that's ever necessary because I've never believed that God desires to confuse us people. I think He wants to point us to Himself. And I think He does that really well in Revelation.

As John sees this revelation, this message, what are the people doing in heaven? Or the beasts or the creatures that God has created, what are they doing? One of them in Revelation 4:8, "Each of the four living creatures had six wings and was covered with eyes all around, even under His wings. Day and night they never stopped saying, 'Holy holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come. Whenever the living creatures give glory honor and thanks to Him who sit on the throne and who lives forever, and ever. The twenty four elders fall down before Him who sits on the throne, and they worship Him who lives forever and ever. They lay their crowns before the throne and say, 'You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power'." Another passage from chapter 7 in Revelation, this great multitude comes before God. They have branches in their hands, "And they cry out, 'Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne and to the Lamb.' And all the angels are standing around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, they fell down on their faces before the throne, and they worshiped God saying, 'Amen, praise and glory and wisdom, and thanks and honor and power and strength be to our God forever and ever, amen'." And it goes on and on and on throughout the whole book of Revelation that there's going to be a time when we go to see God. And I think you nailed it really well right off the bat. We often think of heaven - not about God, but about us, right? Heaven is the glory of God, I'm not sure we're going to care about anything else.

Gary Schick

There's going to be tons of praise, and it's going to be heartfelt. It's not going to be, "Oh, we've got to praise the Lord some more."

Ben Poole

We're going to fully understand salvation at that point, because we're saved now but we're still in the midst of sin and suffering. Just like we see on the news in Afghanistan and the suffering that's taking place at the hands of other people, and Haiti, the total destruction and death, it's everywhere right? And this is going to be the perfect absence of all darkness. There is no darkness, there is only light, there's only God, there are only God's people. And I remember as a kid thinking, 'Man, just sitting there singing to God sounds like a really long eternal church service.' It is so much more powerful and better there. Your desire will be to praise God forever because of what He has done.

Gary Schick

It'll be like when you're climbing a mountain and it just gets more glorious as you go on, you know?

Ben Poole

It'll never get old. It'll never die down. It's going to be one heck of a party.

Gary Schick

And the new Jerusalem is described as an incredibly spacious place, but it is a city where we will be together with our God. Our God is a God of relationship, He's the father, Son, and Spirit, He's created us for relationship. So if there's a fear that we will be lonely or something, no, there will be that relationship. We will reach a level of connectedness and depth and intimacy that you can't even in any way achieve in this life. But it will be different, but that's okay. One caution: Listeners, never say 'I don't want to be in heaven'. That is really a wish you don't want to follow through on.

Ben Poole

You may not want to be in heaven because you won't be married, but you're not going to be any more married in hell either. You are alone and suffering forever.

Gary Schick

God's not gonna suffer if we reject Him. We're the only ones that stand to lose. The gates are open, Jesus has paid a horrific price to welcome you home.

Ben Poole

It's going to be worth it.

Gary Schick

Let Him love you. Let Him embrace you.

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Hope in the Dark - Have you ever found yourself in a difficult time and felt like you had no one to turn to, no answers, no help? You may even start to wonder if the God you’ve always trusted is even there. And if he is, does he care about you, about what you are enduring? With real-life compassion, Pastor Craig Groeschel offers you Hope in the Dark, a book that reveals experiences of everyday people who have felt alone, as well as the little-known biblical story of Habakkuk and how he struggled with trust and doubt. Through these stories and insights, you’ll discover how God can meet you even in life’s most difficult moments. You’ll find how you really can know and discover a good and loving God, but the key is in wrestling with the pain, struggling through doubts, and even living with unanswered questions. Hope in the Dark is for those who are hurting and for those who are afraid that their faith may be failing. It offers the great and glorious knowledge that God is right there with you, especially when you need him most. 

Before Amen - We pray to stay sober, centered, or solvent. When the lump is deemed malignant. When the money runs out before the month does. When the marriage is falling apart. We pray. But wouldn’t we like to pray...More? Better? Stronger? With more fire, faith, and fervency? Yet we have kids to feed, bills to pay, deadlines to meet. The calendar pounces on our good intentions like a tiger on a rabbit. And what about our checkered history with prayer? Uncertain words. Unmet expectations. Unanswered requests. We aren’t the first to struggle with prayer. The first followers of Jesus needed prayer guidance too. In fact, prayer is the only tutorial they ever requested. Jesus gave them a prayer. Not a lecture on prayer. He gave them a quotable, repeatable, portable prayer. Couldn’t we use the same? Join Max Lucado on a journey to the very heart of biblical prayer and the power unleashed with six simple lines: Father, you are good. I need help. They need help. Thank you. In Jesus’ name, amen. 

Overload - Stress is a universal issue and must be faced on a daily basis, whether it’s from work, family challenges, relationship conflicts, or keeping up with the constant stream of information in a social media society. The demands of modern life can be all-consuming, making it hard to mute the distractions around you and receive God’s peace. Joyce Meyer calls the problem Overload--when the burdens of everyday life are overwhelming. She has experienced overload and overcome it herself. And with this book she’ll help you identify the catalysts of worry in your life, as well as offer you the practical, effective advice and scriptural wisdom you need to manage stress. Nobody is immune to stress. But through exploring the inspiring insights of the Bible, and calling on God’s strength to help you triumph over stress, you can achieve the joyful, peaceful life that is intended for you.

New Music Monday - Andrew Ripp + new songs on Saturday night

new to our rotation

“I'm gonna
Rejoice, rejoice
Lift it up in the highs and lows
There's a better day coming, I know
Rejoice, rejoice
I'm gonna sing either way it goes
There's a better day coming, I know, I know
I know, I know”

the 180remix countdown - saturdays at 9:00pm

“Yeah, I was happy just being myself
I know who to call when I need help
I talk to God I ain't talking to myself
And when I do that
Now I'm back to feeling good again
Why they label me a hooligan
If you took an L it feels so good to win
But I got God on my side, yeah”

“Jesus dance with me
With You I feel free.
I know I’m all grown
But I can’t dance alone
Heaven’s where I’m bound
On that holy ground.
Fill my heart with glee
When You dance with me”

New Music Monday - For King & Country and Cade Thompson + new artists

new to our rotation

“Even though I feel weakened
I will live to worship You
I will live to worship You
Because I know Your love is true
I will live to worship You
I will live to worship You
I will live to worship You”

“Come from the Father, He came to free us
The Word became flesh and dwelt among us
We’ve seen His glory, the One and Only
Matchless in splendor, righteous and holy”

the weekly worship countdown - fridays at 2:00pm

“When You speak through the chaos
And tell me that I will be alright
In Your kindness You bring me
Back to the source
You are the source of life”

the 180remix countdown - saturdays at 9:00pm

“I don't know what it's like to be you
You don't know what it's like to be me
What if we're all the same
In different kinds of ways
Can you, can you relate?”

“Oh, I belong to a wonder-working God
Making a way like only He could
And all I can say is God is good
Oh, I belong to a wonder-working God
Trading my chains for victory
My God is working a wonder in me”

the stronghold - saturdays at 10:30pm

“When all that we have
Has fallen apart, we are not defeated
This will not be the end
We're fighting to fix these broken pieces”

What Does The Bible Say About Cremation? - Ask The Pastor

You can listen to Ask The Pastor every weekday at 9:00am MST on 97.1FM Hope Radio KCMI! You can also listen and subscribe to Ask The Pastor in your favorite podcast feed. Listen on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Google Podcasts, Stitcher, Amazon Music and most other podcast services.

This edition of Ask the Pastor features Pastors
Jeff Banks, Andy Griess and Bruce Peterson.

Jeff Banks

Well, we've got a question on the table. I think this is a question that we've maybe been asked pastorally that's come up a number of times. Um, so the question is about cremation. What does the Bible say about that? How should believers view cremation? I think some of this is driven from the increasing popularity of cremation. I think it's cheaper. Yeah.

Bruce Peterson

It's still way more money than you expect it to be, but it's still cheaper than the burial process.

Jeff Banks

Right. So we want to talk about this and lay this out on the table, what does Scripture say and how do we approach it? Certainly when we look at the reality of death and the decay of our bodies, the gospel is built on the hope of bodily resurrection, right? So this is the great hope of 1 Corinthians 15 Christ is the first fruits, so He's leading the way and is the hope of the gospel for Christians for all who believe in him, that when they die their their body will be resurrected from the grave. So does cremation impact that?

Bruce Peterson

So let's first deal with the dispersement of the molecules, so to speak. If you're in a grave, you're all in one place. And if the resurrection happens and you've only been in there 500 years, you might even have some bones. They're there, but you're all in one spot. So what would the Bible say simply about dispersement? Are there any passages that would suggest God doesn't have a problem with dispersement?

Jeff Banks

We talked about a passage in Revelation 20. I think it hits it. So in Revelation 20, we've got this passage that says "The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them."

Bruce Peterson

So the pit and even the seas. So what happens if you throw a dead body in the sea?

Jeff Banks

It's going to decompose and get eaten.

Bruce Peterson

It's gonna get eaten and turned into fish food.

Jeff Banks

Yeah, kind of come back out.

Bruce Peterson

It's going to be dispersed. And this goes, this is the final judgment you're reading, right? So this goes back to Adam and Eve. So all the bodies that have died at sea, God can pull them all back out. So disbursement can't be a concern. You have to let that continue.

Jeff Banks

If you have a loved one that's cremated and you disperse their ashes over a cliff or some favorite place, not a problem for God to miraculously gather them.

Bruce Peterson

No, not at all. Okay. So disbursement can't be an issue. So then what about fire? Hm. What passage would you go to there?

Jeff Banks

We talked earlier about how there are places in the Scripture where there were bodies that were burned, and there was some kind of a negative context.

Bruce Peterson

There's some negative consequences to the picture-

Jeff Banks

-but no real prohibition against that.

Bruce Peterson

No prohibition, but I would go to Hebrews and I know it's not in there, but I would still go there because the author is pulling to mind the Christian heroes, right?

Andy Griess

The hall of faith, yeah.

Bruce Peterson

This is speaking of people who lived by faith, right? These are the heroes, the real champions. There were others who were tortured. One of ways you'd be tortured would be,

Jeff Banks

You could get burned at the stake.

Bruce Peterson

Burned at the stake, right? So people are tortured. They're burned at the stake, refusing to be released so that they might gain a better resurrection. Some of them face jeers and floggings, chains, imprisonment. They were put to death by stoning, they were sawed in two, killed by the sword. We know that they were fed to lions again, they're torn apart and eaten. These are the heroes. God goes on to say that the world isn't worthy of them. The Bible doesn't seem to in any way want to shame our Bible heroes because of the way they died. Daniel, Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego speaks to this issue, right? He's going to throw them into a furnace and in a voice that says, "I want to honor God", what did they say to Nebuchadnezzar? You know the answer, it's not a trick question. "Throw us in, throw us in. God might save us. He might not. Either way, we're not going to bow down to your idol, but I'm going to honor God by being willing to go into the furnace." That's a pretty big deal.

Andy Griess

And I think a lot of this concern over "Is burial the proper way for us to dispose of a Christian's body?", a lot of it goes back to what you read in the Old Testament, about Joseph being concerned that his bones be taken back to be buried with this father. And over and over and over people who were given a proper honoring at their death, they keep saying they were buried with their fathers, they were buried with etc. And you hear that often enough in the Old Testament you begin to think maybe burial is, that's just the way it's supposed to be done. And I don't know, looking through the Scriptures, there's just the sense that we are body and spirit. Those things cannot be separated, people are body and spirit. And when we die, our spirit is separated from our body. But because there's a resurrection, that's just temporary. There's going to be a body and spirit together for all of eternity. So then the question begins, how do we give dignity to that body that was left behind when death comes? And the idea of burying someone with their fathers, that's their way of saying they gave them a proper burial, they were honored.

Bruce Peterson

They were honored in death, agreed.

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Andy Griess

And so the question goes to burial or cremation. If the intent is to honor that body, is there one way that has to be done or are these two just different options? We definitely want to honor it, but there's two different ways of doing it. And it's so hard to put together any real specific biblical information because there's no passage you're going to look to that says "here's how".

Bruce Peterson

The Bible never tells us how to do it or how to honor the death. It's implied that if you love them, honor them, but God doesn't give us directive on that.

Jeff Banks

I mean, it certainly seems in the Jewish context that the preferred best way to honor was burial, right?

Bruce Peterson

But even their burial is going to be different than our burial here in Nebraska, or burial in Louisiana, everyone's above ground because the water's too high. Joseph was mummified, which is why it says that he's mummified. We might find his mummy someday. He can be taken out 450 years later. He's probably still a pretty young mummy, right? He probably looks pretty much like himself 400 years later. So that's not "burial" in terms of a Nebraska burial. Even the word has a pretty wide ranging definition of what it means be buried. And I would think in a euphemistic way, even the Nordics, when they would do the funeral pyre they would probably say "We buried him with his fathers". You know what I mean? I think that's more than a procedural specific thing.

Jeff Banks

So 1 Corinthians has some good places that highlight this, this is 1 Corinthians 15. "Someone may ask, how are the dead raised? What kind of body will they come? What you sow does not come back to life unless it dies when you sow, you did not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of the weed or something else. But God gives it a body as he determined. And to each kind, he gives seed to each his own body. All flesh is not the same. Men have a kind of flesh, animals have another."

Bruce Peterson

This is a seed. This is a shell. It's a hint of what's to come, right? You don't put in a corn seed and get an apple tree, you get a corn plant. It's the same family of things, but it's different. That's his point, right?

Jeff Banks

Yeah, definitely. And when he gets to the end, he says, "I declare to you brothers that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable." So we're going to have these imperishable bodies resurrected, but flesh, right? Like you said, we're not going to be floating around in heaven as these disembodied spirits, right? There's going to be a bodily resurrection. And this is what we want to cling to.

Bruce Peterson

It's a mystery.

Jeff Banks

This is a mystery. I think that the essence of the miracle and the beauty and glory of bodily resurrection is a mystery to us, but not impossible for God.

Bruce Peterson

And I would say that the point is that it's a wonderful mystery. There might be the odd person who wants their human body back, but I don't know anyone that actually wants that, like "I can't wait to be taller. I can't wait to be thinner. I can't wait to be younger. I can't wait to be fit." What we are saying is, we want to be ourselves, but we're gonna be pretty cool with some physical perfections. I want to be similar and different. And Paul says, "Guess what? You're going to be similar and different," but in a better way than you could imagine.

Andy Griess

Yeah. I think about the mystery of how God from nothing created everything, and built us with a soul and a body together, and scientists can't even describe what a consciousness is and how it is. We don't even have the answers to that with all the technology that we have. We can't figure out the mystery of how God put it all together and that God, at the end of time, when it's time for our final resurrection, to be able to put together perfect bodies, imperishable bodies, he's going to have no trouble with that.

Bruce Peterson

And He did it all with a word the first time. He's going to have no trouble. So no worries, but we don't believe the Bible prescribes how to bury someone in a proper way.

Andy Griess

I'm glad this question came up because it's one that a lot of people have. And it's one that some people just agonize about, because my grandpa was cremated and I heard a comment about something to do with where my grandpa's soul was, and you can be troubled about it. As a pastor, what I want to say is - you search the scripture and you're not going to find anything in here that's going to indicate that cremation has any impact on this person's soul. And if it did, if it was that monumental, something would be told to us. Because we're arguing so much from silence, I think it's a non-issue.

Bruce Peterson

God left it silent on purpose. What does your culture do with their dead? Every culture has a way to honor the dead or disgrace the dead. Honor them, definitely honor them, but whatever that way is is neutral because the resurrection and being in Christ is the only worry until you die. There'll be a miracle, a mystery, a wonderful change, and the seed will turn into the fruit. Man, trust that. That's the important bit.

Jeff Banks

Yeah, I don't think cremation would put any of that in jeopardy.

Bruce Peterson

So if you died, do you want your wife to cremate you or bury you?

Jeff Banks

You know, that's a good question. I think she... I don't even know if she's told me what she wants, I don't think we've talked about it.

Bruce Peterson

Wow, there you go. How about you? You want to be buried or cremated?

Andy Griess

I think I prefer to be buried, but at different times when I was more cheap in my life, there was a time where I thought maybe I was going to be cremated because I just want to make it cheaper. You know, you say you could go at any time, but I must not truly be expecting to go at anytime because I'm not wrestling with that.

Bruce Peterson

So I don't want to make light of it, but I do at the same time. So we buried my son, but we had him cremated. The tiniest part of the idea was that if we had his ashes, the dead in Christ are raised first, so we'd get a clue at the resurrection because he would start moving before we did. Sure. So here's what I want now - I would like to be cremated and have my ashes kind of mixed with his, and we'll go together.

Andy Griess

There you go!

Bruce Peterson

You know, my wife can be in the jar too, all three of us. So put us all in together and then we'll let Jesus sort it all out. That's our trust and our hope.

What's New at Cross Reference Library? Fighting those Battles

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Hope For Healing From Domestic Abuse - When someone leaves an abusive marriage, life isn’t instantly fixed. In fact, the road to healing after domestic abuse is exhausting. But that exit is the first powerful step toward a future of strength and bravery. Karen DeArmond Gardner personally understands the difficulties and realities of this journey. She tackled heavy struggles when she left her own abusive marriage. Now she knows the liberating truth: domestic abuse doesn’t have to be a life sentence. This isn’t a how-to book with a few easy steps. Instead, it’s a biblically based map for your journey to healing. Karen’s vulnerable inside perspective, sure voice, and incredible story of deliverance from the bonds of abuse shows the faithfulness of God, as she walks beside you through the grueling times and into the wholeness and freedom that awaits. 

At Love’s Command - Haunted by the horrors of war, ex-cavalry officer Matthew Hanger leads a band of mercenaries known as Hanger’s Horsemen who have become legends in 1890s Texas. They defend the innocent and obtain justice for the oppressed. But when a rustler’s bullet leaves one of them at death’s door, they’re the ones in need of saving. Dr. Josephine Burkett is used to men taking one at her skirts and discounting her medical skills. What she’s not used to is having a man change his mind in a heartbeat and offer to assist her in surgery. Matthew’s dedication to his friend during recovery earns Josephine’s respect, and when her brother is abducted, he becomes her only hope for rescue. When plans go awry and Josephine is caught in the crossfire, Matthew may have to sacrifice everything--even his team--to save her. 

The Heart’s Charge - Members of the legendary Hanger’s Horsemen, Mark Wallace and Jonah Brooks arrive in Llano County, Texas, to deliver a steed, never expecting they’d help deliver a baby as well. Left with an infant to care for, they head to a nearby foundling home, where encounters the woman he nearly married a decade ago. After failing at love, Katherine Palmer has dedicated her life to caring for children, teaming up with Eliza Southerland to start Harmony House. Eliza understands the pain of not fitting society’s mold, being illegitimate and of mixed ancestry. Yet those are the very attributes that lead her to minister to outcast children. The taciturn Jonah intrigues her by defying all her stereotypes of men, but there are secrets behind his eyes--ghosts from wars past and others still being waged. When the Horsemen hear rumors of missing children, they stay to investigate, sticking close to Harmony House and its beautiful owners. As they work together to uncover the truth, love and danger grow hand in hand until a final sinister scheme threatens to destroy them all. 

In a war, there are always so many things to be considered. How you're going to fight it, who your allies are, and who the enemy is. As you march onto the battlefield, the answers gradually become more clear over time. God will help you and he is your ally in any war you go through and Satan is and will always be your enemy. In these three stories, these people and characters face physical and emotional wars of their own. In Hope For Healing From Domestic Abuse Karen describes her physical and emotional battles and how she eventually got out and won. But her road to recovery started to look more like a cross country trip, as it does for thousands of women who undergo domestic abuse. Karen left a reminder for those women towards the end of Chapter 3, “God tells us not to be shocked or afraid, that He goes ahead of us, will fight for us, and cares for us as a father cares for His children.” In the Hanger’s Horsemen series we are introduced to a group of men who are ex-cavalry officers. And instead of leaving the battlefield completely, they decided to be a western version of Robin Hood and his Merry Men. They defend the innocent and obtain justice for the oppressed. If that doesn’t sound like Robin Hood, I don’t know what does. But by living with this responsibility, they find themselves running into a lot of outlaws. Of course Matthew and a couple of the other horsemen find romance on an unexpected journey through the old west. And an old western story comes with their fair share of damsels in distress. These damsels in particular try to make their mark on society, and for any woman of the 1890s time period, that was a battle within itself. Are you going through any tough battles right now? Come on into the Cross Reference Library check these books out. Discover how they fought their battles and won.